Ep. 4 'Subversion, pragmatic feminism and why you should ditch the guilt’ with Kathryn Jacob, CEO of Pearl & Dean

“We can change things through very small acts of subversion” insists Pearl & Dean CEO Kathryn Jacob. Forget the glass ceiling, she says, in the workplace today there's a glass wall. Men and women can see each other clearly through the divide, but they don't speak the same language or have the same expectations. And as such, ‘pragmatic feminism’ requires us to take charge in our own way. As co-author of The Glass Wall with Sue Unerman, Jacob uses a lifetime of working in male-dominated businesses –to talk frankly about finding success strategies and ways to flourish. Whether that’s ‘showing off at work’, ditching the ‘guilt’ of being a working mum or defining what success looks like to us she pulls no punches in this funny and fearless podcast. Listen in – and listen up!